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vampires existIn my recent interview with Sappho Wolf, a self-described vampire, she answered a list of questions and did so eloquently and in a way that I felt was in keeping the topic palatable to the general public.

In particular, I noticed that she expended some effort in trying to avoid the issue of blood-drinking, even when I explicitly asked about it in one of my questions. I could tell that despite her elaboration upon all of the other aspects of being a vampire, this was one area where I would have to pry a little bit.

So, I sent Sappho a follow-up question regarding the issue of drinking human blood. Not having much information about the “real” vampires that exist in our world today, this is a point that I really wanted some clarity. Sappho was more than willing to oblige.

I wrote:

“This is the central question that I think readers will have and I don’t think you really answered it in #2 – that is:

Do people that call themselves vampires drink each other’s blood?”

Sappho responded with a full writeup – an effort to explain a behavior that many of our readers probably cringe when they read about.


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The drinking of raw human blood. Here is how Sappho explained it in this follow-up.

Sappho Wolf on Blood Drinking Vampirism – In Her Own Words

“So, you’d like to know about the blood.

I think it’s a most natural curiosity, and most interviews I’ve done about the real vampire sooner or later get to this hot button issue. If I come across as too glib, I’d be happy to break down my answers even more.

Yes. There are people who identify themselves as vampires that drink blood.

Your readers will not be attacked by a real vampire and become take out. However, there are dangerous people with violent intent on the loose who might choose to call themselves vampires.

I can speak to the first part. As to the danger of “vampires”, violent criminals can call themselves anything. We in the community are seeking to make the difference more readily understandable, but for the moment it’s a semantic morass.

In the community, the term for these vampires is sanguinarian. Generally speaking, these are not people living off of only blood (there may be a few who have tried this, but I can’t be sure). For whatever reason, the experience of consuming blood brings a variety of sensations, from heightened awareness to mental lucidity to physical strength (or the perception of having greater physical strength). There are also sanguinarians drinking blood because they feel they personally need it.

Where do these vampires find blood? You may be surprised.

There is a growing community of willing donors anxious to have their blood drunk by vampires. One of the understood rules of the vampire community is that feeding should be consensual–that is, a beneficial experience for both vampire and donor.

A trend that fortunately has gained a hold is a careful screening of feeding partners and the decision for partners to be “monogamous”. Of course this is in reaction to the HIV/AIDS (among other diseases) scare. If anyone does actually believe they are immortal, they’re not convinced enough to risk their existence for the taste of blood.

No one is ostracized for having a preference to drink blood. In my own Order, we make room for sanguinarians (again with mutual consent being mandatory). There are several groups claiming that the only true vampirism is blood vampirism, but these are far outnumbered by less strict codes. In the end, some of us need to tap into a physical energy source like blood while some of us have found our energy in other ways.

No. Drinking blood is not the defining characteristic of a vampire.

You will not be made an immortal.

You will not grow overlarge canine teeth (fangs).

You do not need to sleep in a coffin (unless you want to).

You’re not going to suddenly possess any kind of super powers, unless you count the ability to play with energy which in and of itself might be considered a super power.

You’re not going to be immune from disease, although you may find yourself becoming a stronger person physically as well as mentally.

Walking in the steps of the vampire is not going to give you instant sex appeal or improve your social status. These are things mostly empowered by personality.

You will most likely feel more in control of yourself and your surroundings.

You may experience a dramatic increase in confidence.

You may come to understand how thought becomes deed in very real terms.

As vampires go, we are very much real. Hold this thought fast to your heart, because doubtless you will encounter cynics and scoffers. They don’t matter. You know the truth.”

Final Words

As a journalist that tries to remain open-minded about some of the most surreal and unreal aspects of the world, this remains an issue that baffles me more than most others. While, in many religions, there are some unusual and arguably useless or even delusional rituals and activities – I think many readers would agree that the consumption of raw human blood as part of any belief system or lifestyle is difficult to swallow (pun intended!)

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Editors Note – Rob Parratore’s comments removed pending further investigation into his true identity/credentials. More coming soon….
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I would also like to thank everyone, from both sides of the community and from the general public, for voicing your position and concerns in a respectful way. I know I’ve personally learned a lot about the concept of vampirism throughout this series, and I hope that you have as well.

Originally published on TopSecretWriters.com

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  • Dusk_till_dawn

    Great article.

  • Deacongry

    I strongly urge all members of the Vamp community to stop feeding info to this writer. He is making a spectacle of the community and fueling bad blood between its members. We should not be allowing him to entertain his readers at the Vampire communities expense.

    Deacon Gray

  • Anonymous

    Deacon, I’m sorry you feel that way.

    The purpose of founding this blog wasn’t for entertainment, but as a way to explore areas of the world around us that people are too afraid to explore, or too unaware (ignorant?) to accept that it exists. My goal is to show people that (1) yes, things outside of your “accepted” realm of reality exists, (2) no, it isn’t all that scary and (3) to help people adopt a healthier, all-encompassing view of the world around them that doesn’t shy away from “strange” things that scare them.

    I encourage readers to turn to those things that scare them head-on, ask questions, learn and come to a healthier understanding of that reality.

    I understand you may feel that it’s better for people in the vampire community to remain closed off and support each other from within rather than looking for support from without – I get that. But I assure you (whether you believe it or not), that I’d like to help people better understand the reality, rather than believe the stereotype and the myth.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you! I’m so glad that you appreciate the effort – although most of the thanks should go to Sappho who took the time (and patience) to answer my relatively uninformed questions!

  • Zerochan

    Again with the “all of us are energy feeders” and “all sangs are mentally ill bit”.

    Deacon is right. Tensions are too high in our community for this crap. Unless this writer is willing to interview a sang or hybrid, then I believe that there really isn’t much to be gained from this. We can’t have the community tearing itself to shreds over this.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks – yes, I am willing to interview a Sang. I just need to find the right one that is an authority and respected by others in the Sang community – do you have suggestions?

  • A Sang Vamp

    As I said she does not understand. It is a health issue. We drink blood to maintain our health. Most of us Sangs with Authority want nothing to do with the media as it is not our nature to seek attention like the energy vamps do.

  • Sylvere ap Leanan

    If you’re genuinely interested in interviewing a sanguinarian vampire, then Vyrdolak (www.bylightunseen.net), Sphynxcat (http://sphynxcatvp.nocturna.org), LadyCG (lady-cg.u.yuku.com/), or Sanguinarius (www.sanguinarius.org) are your best bets. All of them have been active in the community for well over a decade and each of them has been instrumental in shaping the community as it is today.

    In the future, I suggest you and any other media representative contact Voices of the Vampire Community (VVC) via the contact page on their site: http://www.veritasvosliberabit.com/vvc.html

    The VVC is an informational network of vampires across the globe. The VVC actively works with media, academia, and law enforcement to ensure the myths and misconceptions regarding vampirism are not the basis for their professional work. Had you bothered to do any research at all – which you clearly have not – you would know that every single one of the questions you posed to SapphoWolf could have been answered by reading the FAQ on the VVC website.

  • Deacongry

    Ryan perhaps you can understand why I am skeptical. You say you want to show people these things, and that they are not all that scary just because they are strange, then post titles about recent Crimes Vampires Commited and the dangers of Dark Vampire Cults… I mean I am not a genius, but those look like Sensationalized scare tatics to me Ryan.

    I don’t think you are a bad guy Ryan, I just don’t see this line of articles being read by very many people outside the vampire community, and the damage done with your sensational articles to start with cannot be undone now. Like many other media outlets out there I think a Sang coming on would not help the Sang vampires, if anything it will hurt them more, as you do your best to talk to experts about Physiological needs, about mental health disorders, Chemical interactions in the Brain (by the way..which chemical interactions was that guy talking about exactly?) You see that kind of thing looks good, but it was BS theory from some ….guy… and you posted it like it had some kind of validity.
    Sorry…as I said before I highly encourage ALL Sang and PSI vamps in the community to stop feeding you info. You are saying one thing, but what I am seeing demonstrates another.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for the insight. I appreciate the contacts. While quoting from a FAQ might have superficially answered a few questions, receiving direct and specific answers to both easy and difficult questions from a real person is more personable and more real than static text from a web page that typically dances around the difficult subjects.

  • Anonymous

    Deacon – I understand your view…but I hope you can see how your opinion of those other articles are matched by the opinion that, very likely non-Sang vampires will have when I interview a Sang vampire. Those crimes happened – and I’m not one to gloss over the truth or hide reality…therefore I mentioned them as real events that need to be integrated and understood as part of the big picture. Maybe you would like to keep them off the radar and pretend those things don’t happen – but that’s just not reality.On the flip side, I would be just as forthright about publishing as much of the Sang viewpoint as possible – whether or not I agree with them or whether or not they offend or bother others that are non-Sang. I’m not here to walk on eggshells. I’m here to put *everything* on the table. You can label that as sensationalistic, but reality is reality. If you can’t incorporate bad things that happen into your understanding of the real world, then you may not have a holistic picture of the real world. That is my only point and my only goal.But of course, in doing so, I’m very accustomed to insult and attack from the side of the issue that disagrees with the point of view of the moment – that’s the nature of the beast. Any Sang and PSI interested in offering up valid and accurate information to provide a valid picture of what this is really all about – I applaud them and will be fair and honest with them, but also with my readers. If any choose to take your advice and hide, that’s their right.

    By the way, the comment you mentioned was posted by a researcher from the University of Pennsylvania, not “some guy”. He was most definitely one of those readers of “this line of articles” from outside the vampire community.

  • Sylvere ap Leanan

    As a professional writer, I find your assertion that doing research, including reading a FAQ designed to help you as a media representative ask better and more thorough questions, too “superficial” to be useful is both ludicrous and insulting. At this point, you have made it clear you are more concerned with creating sensationalistic tripe than with accurate and factual reporting. This is a typical snow job perpetrated by the usual tabloid-style hacks. You owe it to your readers to do your research, sir. Your failure to do so demonstrates a shameful lack of professional ethics.

  • Anonymous

    No – you recommended that I use your FAQ rather than interview Sappho. And as a professional writer, I find using and quoting from a FAQ rather than conducting an interview with a living, breathing person to be both lazy and amateur – as is the attempt to conduct an ad hominem attack on the messenger rather than defend your position within the debate. I appreciate and understand your opinion, but I respectfully disagree with your view.

  • Belfazaar Ashantison

    These crimes happened, yes. No member of the community recognizes any of the criminals by name nor moniker in the community, yet not one member of the ‘media’ has reported that fact…

  • Anonymous

    Was Sappho’s interview sensationalized? Her view was provided word-for-word, and she and I have been having further discussions via email about how to work together in the future on providing a balanced view of vampirism. She’s reported that she’s very surprised by the harsh backlash from Sanguine vampires. However, I’m not…when a different perspective is offered, people often lash out in this way – it’s the nature of the Internet.

    With that said, I’m pleased at the level of professionalism and open-mindedness from a large number of commentators. And yes, I’m hoping to have a Sanguine Vampire interview ready to be published next week. Hopefully you find it satisfactorily non-sensationalistic.

  • Belfazaar Ashantison

    Well then, Ryan, Sylvere gave you the names of a few, and I know that my email shows up on these boards at the top level so you can find it easily enough…

    I would be interested to see what questions you were asking… Sylvere’s suggestion that you read an FAQ was a smart one. It would have informed you of a few things and, if you are truly a journalist with integrity, inspired questions…

    Sappho’s views of a sanguine have unleashed a maelstrom of stupidity within the community. A psy cannot answer for a sang anymore than a sang can answer for a psy… It is like trying to ask a newborn baby to eat a 12 ounce steak and baked potato in the difference of the energies garnered… Same living source… Two very different energies…

  • Sylvere ap Leanan

    At no time did I say you should use the VVC’s FAQ instead of interviewing a real person. What I said was that all of your questions could have been answered by reading the FAQ, thus providing the opportunity for you to ask questions with greater depth when you finally interviewed your living subject. I also suggested that, in the future, you contact the VVC before doing articles regarding the vampire community, since the VVC is designed to assist the media with articles such as this. Had you done so before originally, we could have pointed you to a sanguinarian vampire to interview in order to provide balance. We could also have provided names of noted researchers such as Joseph Laycock, who is a Ph.D. candidate at Yale and has published peer-reviewed articles and a scholarly book on the subject of vampires.

    It’s hardly an ad hominem attack to point out that you have failed to do even the most basic research regarding your subject. It is also not an ad hominem attack to point out that your track record with this topic leans heavily toward sensationalism or that your unwillingness to research your topic lacks professional ethics. In my opinion, it is also lazy and amateur.

    Clearly, you do not understand my opinion. Let me make it plain: you have demonstrated that your articles are heavily biased, inadequately researched, and, as a result, lack credibility. When taken to task for these oversights, you claim those who take offense are merely objecting to an unpopular position. While this may be true of some, in my case, it is not. SapphoWolf is entitled to her opinion, however much I (a fellow psi vampire) disagree with it and find it insulting to my sanguinarian compatriots.

    My objections are to your haphazard methods and their prejudicial result.

  • Belfazaar Ashantison

    Ryan, you say that you reported her words “word-for-word”… If that is the case, go back and re-read some of her comments… She has linked sanguine vampires to mental instabilities ranging from benign to violent crimes… If you were a sanguine vampire and saw these things, would you not be upset? We, sanguines, are the most known variety of vampire on the face of the planet, but also the most misunderstood…

    And as to your “medical professional”… If you ask someone in Eastern Philosophies/Medicines if there is something gained from the blood, they will say “Yes”… It is only Western Science/Medicine that reports there is “no nutritional value” or “are suffering from a disorder”…

    When I was younger, they thought I was anemic, so my grandmother went to a kosher butcher and bought me pints of blood… The fresher the blood, the more it helped… It is an old remedy… Has been happening for hundreds of years… Yet according to Western Science/Medicine, there is not benefit… Why then, has it been a staple of folk medicine for hundreds of years?

  • Anonymous

    I hear you Belfazaar, and will do my best to remedy that and balance the scales as far as providing the full spectrum of perspectives. Making contacts as we speak!

  • Anonymous

    Your objections are all noted.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks, it was actually this comment that led to the confusion: “…every single one of the questions you posed to SapphoWolf could have been answered by reading the FAQ on the VVC website.”

    Which implies that the questions themselves did not need to be asked because they were already answered by an FAQ. It appears that was not the intent of the comment. So – fair enough.

  • Ain Soph Aur

    Just a thought for you Ryan. Have you ever stepped back for a moment and contemplated that you could be acting an unintentional psychological vampire? That is to say, one who is feeding from the chaotic energies manifested by continually writing on a subject that is clearly beyond one’s depth (or willingness to thoroughly research). Perhaps your efforts as a seasoned writer should be directed at composing a singular comprehensive article about modern vampirism; not four or five micro-interest pieces that are disjointed and problematic for the community or identity group you’ve chosen to discuss. Shelby Ellis was the original inspiration for this series which begs to question why you have not followed up with any additional information obtained from direct contact with her family as to the reason she ran away… was any effort made on your part to contact her father, stepmother, or biological mother? What are your true intentions for exploring aspects of the modern vampire community? Do you realize you’re saturating your established readership base with superficial information about an obscure subject matter? Judging by the number of comments on your other articles it appears that 95% of your recent viewership are in fact self-identified vampires. Are we the market you’re hoping to reach?

  • Anonymous

    Oh nice…an ad hoc interview! I will do my best (and thank you for asking these questions):1. Have you ever stepped back for a moment and contemplated that you could be acting an unintentional psychological vampire? That is to say, one who is feeding from the chaotic energies manifested by continually writing on a subject that is clearly beyond one’s depth (or willingness to thoroughly research). A. The goal of this site from the first day I established it was/is to explore fringe subjects from a mainstream perspective, a collaborative adventure between writer and reader. I am not here to preach or to teach – I’m here to explore alongside the reader. Yes, I have a growing list of sources, a lot of experience writing to the online audience, and an established history with investigating stories and establishing the truth. With that said, I do not go into an interview with someone in the position of expert. I go into it as any good writer should do – asking questions that a reader, fresh to the subject matter, would ask. This website (as you correctly recognize) isn’t intended specifically for vampires, it’s intended for open-minded skeptics (many of which may include vampires, who knows?) that would like to explore fringe topics with the usual level of insanity removed.Have you ever thought that maybe the reason people from the mainstream don’t discover those intelligent, well-written informational pages on all of the credible vampire sites may actually be because of the high level of insanity that does exist on other similar website? A person can only read the writing of someone who reports that they are the devil’s wife and yearn for the taste of human flesh before jumping to the (very likely false) assumption that *all* blood-sucking vampires are crazy? People who know me, personally, know that I’m a no b.s. researcher and writer. I don’t blame you for doubting that – you just “met” me – but you should know that you’re barking up the wrong tree with your implications.- Perhaps your efforts as a seasoned writer should be directed at composing a singular comprehensive article about modern vampirism; not four or five micro-interest pieces that are disjointed and problematic for the community or identity group you’ve chosen to discuss. A. Perhaps. However the format of a blog demands a series of “updates” – while the end may very well be a final, comprehensive article features on the main page for a longer period, the nature of blogging involves segment 700 to 1000 word updates that provide people with information they can digest over their morning coffee, mull over during their morning commute and maybe even post a comment or two during their lunch break. It’s meant to present meaningful information in bite size pieces for mainstream readers. While you may not personally consider it meaningful, I would suggest that other readers probably disagree with you. – Shelby Ellis was the original inspiration for this series which begs to question why you have not followed up with any additional information obtained from direct contact with her family as to the reason she ran away…A. With 4 to 5 projects ongoing at any one time, I choose the priority of what I research and schedule to publish based on information available at the time. When/if anything definitive on that original story comes in, I’ll be sure to write about it – but what I write about is up to me to decide, not you.- Was any effort made on your part to contact her father, stepmother, or biological mother? What are your true intentions for exploring aspects of the modern vampire community? A – I’ve already explained that in previous replies. However, if it’s easier for you to try and discredit or belittle my intentions rather than actually offering a meaningful addition to the conversation at hand, I can’t stop you. In fact, I won’t stop you – because as time goes on and my publications play out, I want your written implications here against my motives to stand as a testament to how wrong you were.- Do you realize you’re saturating your established readership base with superficial information about an obscure subject matter? A. My readership holds a strong interest in cults, and I’ve covered those stories from day one. The fact that the mainstream views vampirism as a cult means that the folks that arrive here already have an established interest in this subject matter. Some day I may cover people that believe they are werewolves. So what – again, my publication choice is mine, not yours. I do realize your intent – you would like to imply that I chose the subject matter for popularity rather than relevance. Even though you won’t believe me, I am telling you, you are wrong. I find this subject fascinating and so do my established readers.- Judging by the number of comments on your other articles it appears that 95% of your recent viewership are in fact self-identified vampires. Are we the market you’re hoping to reach?A. I would hardly describe recent commentators as my normal viewership. You can not judge any site by its comments, because people usually comment about things that light a fire under them, however based on feedback from the social networks, email, and of course Analytics – all of the other areas of the site are doing fine. In fact, the most popular page is the article on FBI vs. Wikipedia, even though comments there are scarce. It far surpasses anything else I’ve written or probably will write in the near future. You really never know. I do get what you’re attempting to imply though – as I said, it’s easier to attempt to discredit rather than to actually discuss difficult issues. I get that. As I mentioned before – I’m used to it. I just hope that in time I can prove to you that your current thinking is incorrect, and believe it or not, yes, I hope to gain vampires as new readers. I hope I can gain you, specifically, as a new reader. I really don’t care what you call yourself.

  • Deacongry

    Ryan I am in the mental health field, his statements are conjecture and theory and not very good ones at that. So yeah he is Just Some Guy. I also looked him up…google is amazing and interestingly enough he wasn’t significant enough to pop up on the rader anywhere.
    You are not here to put everything on the table. You are here to get more people to read your site. You refuse to even understand that when people like you putup sensationalized headlines it impacts the community you are posting about. As I pointed out before a 15 year old goth girl was kicked to death becase people didn’t understand…your headlines imply something. Write 50 thousand words in the article, but people rememebr the headlines. You intentionally used those to draw attention, you didn’t care a whip about the impact to anyone but yourself and youre site.

  • Anonymous

    You’re entitled to your opinion. Btw – when Google fails, the phone works.

  • Alvus

    LadyCG actually KNOWS something about the lady of Maidenfear, as do many of us, and not necessarily those with the highest capacity for online rhetoric. Sappho doesn’t grant interviews without a greater purpose. When I had the opportunity to meet her, she was speaking to a packed auditorium of skeptics and curmudgeons on the very simple premise that vampires exist. She then proceeded to demonstrate how. At the very least there were a few hundred more people entertaining the idea of our real existence. If that’s not going to bat for the community, nothing is.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with you, Alvus, 100% – as much as a “mundane” can agree. I feel like I’m in the middle of a family feud – but even as an outsider I gained a great deal of respect for her through this interview. Also, the entire question “do vampires exist” has been completely re-defined for me. As somewhat of a skeptic, that says a lot. Oh, by the way, I’m in touch with LadyCG, and I’ll also be contacting you shortly as well. Sorry for the poor contact page – I had to redesign it and forgot to add in the new contact form and contact details. I’m working on updating that!

  • Anonymous

    I like your style. :-)

    I will be in touch shortly – I’m interested in learning more both privately and publicly! Thanks for your contact info!

  • http://www.vampgeist.com Sappho Wolf the Seditious

    I’ve had such a blast here at Top Secret Writers that I’m inspired to write down a whole lot more about the travels and trials of real vampires from what seems to be my inflammatory point of view (high atop my black tower radiating nefarious intent, where I keep in touch with vampires of all flavors around the world…well, the communications part is true anyway). I’d also like to point out that Ryan Dube–representing the cynical masses admirably and with an open mind–has treated me with more respect and more understanding than many of the people in the “community”. Want vampire rights as an identity group? Start with supporting attempts to bridge communication gaps!

  • Belfazaar Ashantison

    I am always willing to help, should you need it… theashantison@yahoo.com, if you can’t pull it up from the boards…

  • Anonymous

    Thanks man, I appreciate that.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you Sappho. It was respect well deserved, and I appreciate your kind words. It’s actually nice to have met some people from the community that have open arms. I’m really looking forward to learning more. “Haters” will always be there – C’est la vie.

  • A Sang Vamp

    Do you respect those who misrepresent, insult and marginalize you? I think most who have replied here have shown you a great deal of respect considering what you have said.

    What rights are you being denied?

  • Azriel

    I think it takes serious guts to:
    A) Be willing to examine both sides of an issue, knowing that people will take cheap shots at you
    B) Willingly admit mistakes and try to reason out ways to patch them up or avoid them in the future, and
    C) handle yourself with the amount of poise you have demonstrated (though I can’t imagine it has been easy.)

    This article is well written, and I look forward to an article that does focus on Sangs, and possibly a hybrid? And although we tend to keep to ourselves, I think it is important that a (somewhat) neutral party bring up both points of view. we do not have to discuss it hear, but it is important both sides are heard, and I have found that listening or speaking in person is not always the answer.

    -Azriel

  • Anonymous

    Thank you so much for this Azriel. I actually understand the need for some to call names or worse…after all – and this dawned on me the other night – I’m seriously an outsider in a very big way. It’s sort of like a white guy walking into a Native American community or African American community and going, “Yo, I suspect you guys are all crazy…but you know, I’m willing to talk to you about it.” Duh….

    I fit in well with the skeptic community because I’ve always asked the very difficult (yes, sometimes rude) questions and have collaborated with the destruction of a few hoaxes. However, I’ve also been chastised by some skeptics because I’m not skeptical enough to dismiss surreal concepts off-hand. But in my mind, how exactly does that inspire progress – scientific or otherwise? Just reading through the articles and interviews that many vampires have been forwarding me through Facebook, email and here over the past few days – it’s *very* clear that for many it’s a very real, very biological need.

    So, should people within the mainstream look at these medical symptoms, dismissed by doctors as a form of anemia, and assume these people are crazy? Many human conditions were dismissed as mental illness throughout history until science could actually understand them – even today we have maladies they can’t grasp but they label (fibromyalgia comes to mind). In fact, the term Vampire itself is a product of so many human superstitions and fears – I almost wish the community called itself something else (of course some of them do…)

    So, your words are appreciated more than you could imagine! Thank you.

  • Banesidhe

    Ryan, another source of information you could have researched was the program “The Secret Lives of Vampires” which gave a great deal of information about sanguinarian vampires as well as psi vampires. Tell me, Sir… should your articles result in hate crimes against our community, are you going to hold yourself responsible for them? It would be the same as posting an article about homosexuals and the crimes SOME commit (rape, assaults, etc…) and then having innocent homosexuals beaten or killed because of that self same article.

  • Anonymous

    Banesidhe – thank you for the resource. And no – this argument has been thrown around in just about every creative outlet. Does certain music cause people to kill? Do certain lyrics cause kids to murder parents? Do magazine or Internet articles inspire violence? Do video games? My answer to all of the above is – no. I’m sure you believe in freedom of speech. And I’m sure you also believe in accountability for ones own actions. If someone is stupid enough to seek out a vampire and kill them or hurt them because of something they read or heard – they should be held accountable.

    I am free to write what I want to write, as are you. This is the last time I’m going to respond to this sort of statement, because it’s illogical and suggests that censorship is the answer to prevent crime. It isn’t. If you don’t like anything I’ve written, I suggest you just click the back button and visit another website. If you want to maturely explore this issues with an open mind and fully exploring all angles, regardless of how offensive or painful that exploration may be – by all means come along for the ride.

  • Banesidhe

    I do see your point regarding my question, tho I do think that there IS some potential. However… that being said, no I do not subscribe to censorship. :-) Nor would I wish you to be unable to learn more, or possibly post a more informative article. In truth, while parts of your 2 articles I might take exception to… I DO see some advantage to having a “disinterested” 3rd party, if you will, write about us with relevant knowledge and serious attention to research and details. :-) Was happy to provide you with additional resources to look into.

  • Sappho Wolf

    I’m not claiming that any rights have been denied. In fact I’ve had more than my share of the First Amendment. That being said, I can’t say that I ever feel misrepresented, insulted, or marginalized by much of anything. You see, these are mindsets you take upon yourself. To paraphrase Eleanor Roosevelt, no one can make you feel inferior without your consent. When I wrote these things, I had no intention to diss anyone, yet that was how it was received by individuals with a misplaced persecution complex. If it hadn’t been me, it would have been someone else writing different words with the same reaction. I’m sorry if you don’t have enough fortitude within yourself to stand for what you are without letting some goofball writer like me get under your skin. But that fault, that weakness if you will, is in you, and is not my creation. And before you try to refute me, I want you to think long and hard about who it is that is responsible for the way you feel.

  • Alvus

    All right, I’ll start here. I am 43 years old and have been a sang vampire since I was 15. The blood woke me up when my then girlfriend offered her blood during sex. I soon found that I had a group of people willing to give me a little of their blood in exchange for a little of my own. And I needed it. My folks were divorced and my dad was a good old fashioned Bible Belt wielding sadist. But when I had the blood, I was taking all the power in the universe inside me. In the blood, I had the nerve to leave home and face the world. It was a colossal disaster. I was hired and fired in a regular cycle because rumors of my blood habit were spreading. I truly believed that if I stopped, I would die. I also stopped being selective about from whom I would drink. People tried to get me to understand the dangers of blood play (which often involved sex play). This was the cycle of my life until I was about 20, when two things happened. I landed in the hospital with hepatitis and nearly died, and I met the woman who was going to change my life by giving me a title–vampire.

    More to come…

  • Rob Parratore

    I’m parting ways with the researcher in order to speak from my gut. Who are these people who proudly announce they drink blood and somehow expect everyone else to just be okay with it? Yes sangs, I’m talking to you. Do you ever just sit back and think “Wow, I have to be really mental to ingest blood. I mean I know about HIV and AIDS and all that, never mind the kind of images blood drinking conjures up in the public mind.” Tell me I don’t understand. Good. I don’t want to be inside a brain that thinks this is acceptable behavior. Don’t whine and cry when crimes are committed and then associated with vampires. What on earth do you expect? YOU DRINK BLOOD! You’re lucky anybody is willing to even try and justify it–they’re keeping the angry mobs with the pitchforks away from your doors. But if you’re stupid enough to engage in barbaric behavior and let the world know about it, maybe you should face the angry mobs. Grow up, give up the blood, and find something else to satisfy you. Maybe it won’t be as flashy, but at least it can make you much less of a monster–and as far as I’m concerned, sangs are just monsters.

  • CJ

    In your original post under the cloak of being a psychological researcher for the University of Pennsylvania you attempted to make a non-judgmental assessments of sanguinarians. However bias slipped in anyway in the use of the words “psychopathology” and “disorder.” After all, what is the difference between pathology and mere variation other than a subjective assessment (AKA judgment). In my mind I gave you the benefit of the doubt.

    However now that you have taken off the lab coat you have revealed yourself to a complete bigot in this matter. Bigot isn’t a word I like to throw around lightly as it is often used in rather knee jerk defensive diatribes. However looking at the definition of bigotry per dictionary.com “stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one’s own” as well as your own statements “Tell me I don’t understand. Good.” “and as far as I’m concerned, sangs are just monsters. ” I would think that would be the epitome of stubborn and complete intolerance.

    Despite your commitment to your opinion, I will still be glad to answer your questions. I cannot speak for my fellow sanguinarians but the main reason I speak to non-sanguinarians, especially those in the scientific community, is that I have two goals in mind for myself and my fellow sanguinarians. One being to make blood more accessible whether human or animal. The other being no longer feeling the need to consume blood for my sustenance. The way to either goal is to gain better knowledge about ourselves. Many within the greater “vampire” community try to bridge the gap via metaphysics but personally I feel there is no empirical evidence to even consider such things. We deal with fairly uniform symptoms and have the same tangible elixir as our remedy. Other than “bad publicity” and “reputation” there really is no reason why a physiological study on sanguinarians cannot be done since we are dealing with tangible matters here. If those are inconclusive then we can look into psychological matters. I do not fear the strong possiblity that the genesis of sanguinarianism is psychological; it will just give me greater insight to get to one of those two goals. Also the more solid data that is available for consumption the better quality of knowledge there will be for all to digest and less unqualified opinions being freely spit out as they were from both sides. So discussing my experiences is not a matter of pride but a means to get to one of those goals.

    Yes, I have thought that I was “mental” about my perceived need to consume blood. You voiced concerns about diseases but the concerns ring true for anything you are careless about in putting in your body. Reading an article about the lost of art of cooking with blood concerning the safety a farmer said “Blood is sterile as long as it doesn’t come from a sick animal.” Perhaps sterile is too strong of a word for blood but nonetheless for us its just about making sure you don’t consume from a “sick animal.” The societal taboo against blood drinking definitely complicates dealing with the sanguinarian condition but nonetheless my body doesn’t seem to care. This isn’t some active belief system but some passive experience. Regardless of belief my body has a certain set of symptoms that consuming blood seems to be the most potent remedy. This is my reality and I have learned to manage it. I would like it to be made easier to manage or perhaps even eradicate this part of me (and the great taboo and prejudices against it are a big motivator as I have far greater ambitions than to be a sanguinarian in my life).

    This leads me back to your demonstration of bigotry. If you are a psychological researcher as you do claim you are a prime example of the judgment that leads sanguinarians away from scientific explanation and into the realm of metaphysics that have no basis in reality. In comparison to the original researcher has been admirable in his healthy skepticism. I feel that he and sanguinarians alike learned about each other communities and gives me hope that we could work together to learn about ourselves.

    The pursuit of knowledge is only hindered by bigotry. Sure sanguinarianism may at first offend your internal sensibilities but for someone who purports to have a scientific approach, Rob, you can do better than this.

  • D, ,

    OK, you might not understand this, but once again it is not a case of growing up. perhaps his story is a bit different from my personal one , but the guy is a man. how old are you Rob?

    to speak from your gut still relates solely to your opinion,as for mentality, it would seem you are just so high and mighty. is fear and ignorance your only crutch?

    We do not and i will say “We” do not overly advertise that were vampire of any variety. the internet is partially anonymous. i didn’t tell anyone for quite some time. and when i did she secretly just wished it would go away.

    your words are barbarism. perhaps it is your fear as you have never really been on the menu, and you get your knickers in a twist at the first thought of it.
    but, blood is in many dishes in the world that must be something acceptable thought if you are mentioning the bible it does say not to drink it “for the blood is the life” you might think i’m quoting Dracula, but your wrong again, that is the old testament.

    as for Rights I’ve been slightly quietly working on that since 2005, the Association For Vampire Rights is meant to protect people from bigots like you where we are concerned , be it psy, sang , even the otherkin .

    from those people trying to take children away from parents that in the end are going to understand them a little better as often children of vampires go through similar problems.
    i find your behavior most uncharitable, and thus unacceptable .

    This is not about justification this is simply the fact vampires have been recognized and looked upon in many ways mostly negative, and this era is different many are trying to approach it scientifically something more akin to acceptance much like gay rights is the logical course of action .
    but, are you homophobic too? don’t get me wrong lots of people find what homosexual men and women on the gross side , but what is the rub when it comes to consenting adults?
    Also kid, you see they tried to tether 6 crimes in 7 years to anything remotely Vampiric, how many non vampiric crimes have been committed by non vampires, in this past year alone? how many killings? ho much violence does man commit? and a vampire is a monster no-greater than the race we spring from. Mankind…

    It is hate and ignorance that makes you a monster Rob your unwillingness to reach out and understand others around you
    that is my gut feeling on your post
    D, ,

  • D, ,

    this is exactly what i have been saying for the past15 or 20 years , with the focus on the wackos who thought them selves vampires and killed in such a manner. crimes are committed by a individual , by ancestors and thew new people cannot be held accountable as a race, would you be held accountable for the Nazis war crime’s?
    don’t think so
    D, ,

  • D, ,

    Skeptical or not it is scientific to be objective, and also in a writers best interest when you tread new ground, but this had been done before. other writers and news people go in and come out with some understanding, and this is just due to proper objectivity.
    even if we gain some understanding in the media where these things we say do not get censored, or altered , as many people in the media have shown less of a integrity go to youtube and seek out the documentary American vampires it id pretty good . or just ask what you really want to know some of us have spent some time before the internet came around in local underground communities
    D, ,

  • Anonymous

    I tend to agree with CJ. Regardless of the topic, it seems premature to jump to conclusions about any matter (especially one that could involve a medical issue) and start judging people. It’s difficult to assume we would be any different in another person’s shoes. Nine tenths of the battle here is understanding the reality and the truth of the situation, not jumping to conclusions before all the facts are in. As an academic that supposedly understands the concept of scientific research, Rob, I honestly expected more from you.

  • Banesidhe

    I am sorry, but to quote a movie ” it is people like you that made me afraid when I was a child.” perhaps you know or understand the reference

  • Rob Parratore

    Bigot? Are you really placing the vampire community in the same vein as equal rights and awareness for black Americans, women, gays, lesbians, American Moslems, and citizen profiling? That’s where you’ll find the bigots.

    CJ, you’re showing a patent lack of understanding. If I were a bigot, I’d be protesting your houses (or whatever) and dismissing everyone I meet who claims to be a vampire. I have friends in the community for whom vampirism works, and if it works for them, it’s fine with me.

    I am a researcher. I am also a human being. It doesn’t matter which cloak I’m wearing with you people, because you’re going to react the same way. I don’t think you can quite understand the dangers to your persuasion among society as a whole. My job is to investigate on behalf of unfanged society.

    You obviously don’t understand the meaning of psychopathology, for one thing. By itself it is neither positive nor negative–it simply refers to recurring behavior patterns.

    Not long ago I ran an experiment with some individuals who identified themselves as sang vampires. My goal was to corroborate the experience of drinking blood with what I had heard from vampires not involved in the experiment–heightened awareness, profound satisfaction, stronger this or that. I split the group into three batches and gave each one a cup of blood to drink. But of course it wasn’t blood–it was a corn syrup and food coloring mixture that appears to be blood in every way except taste (horror film producers have known about this for years). The subjects were led to believe it was blood, and they appeared to accept that untruth. After all, it was a university laboratory that could easily access real blood for research.

    That no one questioned the “blood” was a point to be explored in all three groups. But my larger experiment was to see how the reactions of the vampires would compare to the data I had already collected. Would the subject vampires react differently, or was the idea of real blood enough to evoke the same reactions?

    Based upon this small experiment, I concluded that it wasn’t the substance that affected the vampires, but the very real psychological packaging of the substance as real blood. This might be hard to grasp, but there was no physiological need for blood supported here. What it did show is that there is a strong and real psychological need to drink blood.

    And this is where the sang vampires might start calling for my head, because the minute I suggest something is “psychological” they take it to mean “crazy”. That’s not what I’m saying at all. A psychological need is every bit as real as a physical need. Thus in a sense, this validates drinking blood.

    What’s the conclusion? Perhaps sang vamps need to really try and understand what people are saying instead of allowing paranoia free reign. In demonstrating a psychological need we’re not calling anyone crazy. Conversely, we’re looking into the veracity of the need for blood.

    No vampires were hurt in the experiment, and all signed off so that we could mention this in future studies.

    Not that we’ll ever get any thanks for our troubles.

  • Jane Popyncourt

    I am a sang vampire. I have been for almost 30 years. And I’m delighted with Sappho Wolf and her carefully crafted responses on this topic as well as the original interview. If she starts out with stressing that she is only one vampire and one voice out of many, how can anyone fault her for having her own thoughts? It’s right there, my friends. It’s the opening. Additionally, it’s pretty obvious that her statements about sang vampires were ever so slightly twisted. Yes, she may have said it was a psychological disorder (and has anyone proved otherwise yet? I still entertain the idea) but she also acknowledged that she was not qualified to discuss it at length. Thus, Sappho wasn’t speaking against sang vampires, but rather trying to make it clear that the MO of the sang vamp wasn’t a strong part of the experience she was bringing to the table. Those of you who have ridiculed her mastery of sang vampirism need not have bothered as she already did it for you. It would also have helped if Ryan Dube had bothered to feature the kind of vampirism for which Sappho is known, most often referred to as Pranic. As a sang I know how to engage a donor and how to take precautions, but the process of tapping into and feeding from the living energy of the universe is another incarnation of the vampire and deserves my respect. For anyone who might be thinking how after 25 years in the community Sappho could know so little about sang vampirism, you might want to stop and consider what she has spent this time engaging and exploring. How are your pranic acquisition skills these days? Mine are barely existent.

  • CJ

    To be honest I think we both made the same errors in terms of assigning extra meaning to certain words. First a mea culpa about my misunderstanding of the use of “psychopathology.” I am rather used to the term pathology meaning something that not only deviates from the norm but must also be fixed. Hence the value I added to the word. I now concede it merely means deviation from the norm or perhaps in this context just your proposed psychological origin of sanguinarianism.

    However I fear you made the same mistake by adding extra meaning to the word bigot. We are used to hearing stories of bigotry against the groups that you have mentioned but the truth is that one can be bigoted toward anyone: women, gays, sanguinarians, people who wear red hats, Lady Gaga fans etc. When I used the word bigot it was not in relation to other groups who are often the recipient of bigotry but rather in relation to the nature of your statements. You also need not to be hardcore Fred Phelps style to be a proper bigot in a certain arena; bigotry can be demonstrated in much subtler ways. Harkening back to the definition I cited in my prior response “stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one’s own;” I still maintain that your statements in your last post still meet the dictionary criteria for bigotry. You weren’t as harsh this time around but the adversarial tone of your reply isn’t really encouraging either.

    Rob: I have friends in the community for whom vampirism works, and if it works for them, it’s fine with me.

    Well this is an encouraging non-judgmental statement. So “vampirism” (for the record I don’t consider myself or anyone else a vampire, I’m just a sanguinarian) is okay as long as it works for the individual person. A live and let live approach. I like that.

    But wait…later he says…

    Rob: I don’t think you can quite understand the dangers to your persuasion among society as a whole.

    Wait a minute. First if being a sanguinarian worked for the individual its fine. However now being a sanguinarian is a danger to society? Which one is it Rob? And also don’t blame us for not understanding any sort of perceived danger; blame yourself for not being able to articulate a compelling argument for your case which has not already been logically refuted (eg. the disease concerns).

    Rob: It doesn’t matter which cloak I’m wearing with you people, because you’re going to react the same way.

    I don’t appreciate being painted with such a broad stroke nor the dismissive nature of the statement. Other than the fact that those sanguinarians who replied to your response all disagreed with you, they were all substantively quite different. To further my point that such framing of the argument is unwarranted let me quote your this contradictory statement:

    Rob: “And this is where the sang vampires might start calling for my head, because the minute I suggest something is “psychological” they take it to mean “crazy.”

    If sanguinarians all react the same; why did you feel the need the quantify with the word “might” indicate that sanguinarians just might not all react the same way. From my prior post I offer an exception: “I do not fear the strong possiblity that the genesis of sanguinarianism is psychological; it will just give me greater insight to get to one of those two goals (having blood more accessible or not feeling the need to consume blood).”

    However we don’t disagree about everything. I am in 100% agreement when you say that a psychological need is every bit as real as a physical need and that you weren’t calling anyone crazy. This is something most of my fellow sanguinarians do need to realize and be more comfortable with. I have held for a while that I suspect our need is likely psychological and your study, which I really wished you would have revealed from the get go when you made your first post thus proving your statements claiming a psychological basis had substance behind it, certainly points toward my hunch. This small experiment can be the beginning of a better understanding of ourselves and getting toward one of my two goals (having blood more accessible or not feeling the need to consume blood). I thank you for taking the time to actually do an experiment with sanguinarians. I just wish you’d stick to the science and leave the antipathy and judgments aside.

  • Belfazaar Ashantison

    I knew you would pull the word “barbaric”… You’ve proven my point that I made about you in an earlier post. You do not seek to understand being a ‘researcher’. Instead, you use the actions of a researcher to justify making judgment calls on people. It truly didn’t take long for the real you to come out, did it?

    “Judge not lest ye be judged for by those standards you judge another, so shall you also be judged”… Ring a bell there, Doc?

    You are the same kind of ‘researcher’ that tries to link pedophilia with homosexuality. The same kind that would call the First Nations members “barbarians”, “heathens” and “savages” because you try to tout your limited knowledge as gospel…

    We sangs need to ‘grow up’… Sir, I would suggest the same of you. You are not only a biased and opinionated individual, but cannot speak with the clarity you truly desire when it comes to subjects you know very little about because you HAVEN’T properly researched them…

    Again, I suggest that you contact Joseph Laycock. He wrote the definitive outsiders study of us… Do some homework for once… You might actually learn a thing or two…

  • Belfazaar Ashantison

    Where do I, as an openly gay man, have “equal rights”? Please, Rob, explain that? In more than 22 states it is illegal for me to walk hand in hand down the street with my lover. In more than 25 states it is legal for the local authorities to come in and arrest me and my lover for merely laying in bed together and that doesn’t include the fact that they can walk in WHILE I am having sex… In more than 18 states they will adopt out a child to a KNOWN drug addict, abusive personality and criminal before they would even consider me and a loving relationship…

    You ARE a bigot. Your rationale for it is your own, but you are the very definition of a bigot in the guise of a ‘researcher’… It is time YOU came to terms that everything in YOUR world is NOT all black and white… It will always be shades of gray…

    You say I am the monster? Trust me. I am more loving, caring and concerned with my fellow man than you will ever be…

  • DeaconGry

    Do you feel silly now? I mean now that it has come out who Robert really is? Now that you know your Psychological Researcher Robert was not who he said he was? I mean that we know who it really was? Like I said Ryan…just some guy

  • Anonymous

    DeaconGry – I don’t follow along with the community forums or websites you probably follow, so it would be nice if you actually explained what it is you’re referring to. Remember, I stand outside of all of the infighting, name-calling, silly accusations and insults that have apparently been flying around this community.

    Although, now that you ask, I do feel rather silly in thinking that the lot of you are mature and intelligent adults that can hold an even-handed, mature, calm conversation that would help educate the public regarding the truth. That’s what I feel silly about.

  • Starline07

    Ryan, according to recent investigation, Rob Parratore and Sappho Wolf have been posting from the same IP address. Further investigation revealed that no Mr. Parratore is a clinical researcher on the staff of the University of Pennsylvania. Furthermore, if you check out Mr. Parratore’s content on http://www.associatedcontent.com, you will find a distressing lack of science in his supposed study, and a questionable interview with someone who may or may not exist. The evidence thus far points to Sappho Wolf and Mr. Parratore being the same person. This is shameful behavior, and I hope that you have not been complicit in it. Sappho’s clear bias against Sanguinarians is shown in both of her persona’s. Perhaps it is time to question whether the opinion of someone in reference to Sanguinarians who is clearly biased against Sangs, and has participated in extremely dishonorable behavior, is worth putting out in your articles.

  • Anonymous

    This is interesting, and something I would most certainly post an entire article about, however I never post anything without solid evidence. There are a few problems with what you’ve posted above.

    1. How do you know the IP address of the Rob Parratore that posted comments to my blog – you do not have access to my administrative area or server logs? So I’m unsure and very wary of what IP data you claim to be dealing with regarding “Rob Parratore”
    2. I will be calling the University of Pennsylvania to confirm this. I hope, for your sake, that you’re correct.
    3. I find the desire to discredit Sappho even more interesting than this information about Rob Parratore. While, if true, this will certainly add a whole new twist to the interview. However – if the effort to discredit Sappho turns out to be a smear campaign, I must warn you that you that when I decide to return fire – it isn’t with a bb gun.

    More soon…

  • Anonymous

    Please contact me with the evidence you’ve gathered – I’d like to interview you and/or whoever conducted the investigation in order to view the evidence and put together an update about it. I assume you know where to reach me.

  • Starline07

    The person responsible for the investigation into Sappho Wolf wants absolutely nothing to do with you. Considering your tendency to throw juvenile threats around, I don’t blame him, though his response certainly left something to be desired as well. On top of your threats, you show a certain propensity to sensationalize ,and most people tend to hate that, especially vampires. Anyways, check Robert Parratore’s articles on associatedcontent.com. Make sure to check his profile too, he apparently decided that he is now from the International University of Kyrgyzstan. As a final note, please refrain from any further sensationalism, it tends to tick people off.

  • Anonymous

    No problem – I already spoke with an investigator within the Vampire community that has been working on this. I don’t know who you’re working with, but considering their (and your) arrogance above, I’d rather not work with you anyway.

  • Deacon Gray

    Ryan I wanted to congradulate you, while I admit not favoring your previous articles on this topic, I do have to say I was very pleased to see you took the comments, and rational discussion points to heart and looked further into this subject. I look forward to seeing your future work. It takes a lot of guts to say to ones self “Let me look again” good man.
    were it possable I would love to sit down and chat over a glass of scotch one day.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you Deacon – coming from you, that really means a great deal to me. And I would most certainly take you up on that offer!

  • Persephone

    FYI, according to Sappho’s own post on Yahoo Asscociated Content, she is not so much a non-blood drinker as an ex-blood drinker. Perhaps because she turned from blood to psi-feeding, she believes this is possible for all vampires. Perhaps because she believes sanguinary vampirism was a psychological delusion for herself, she believes this must be true for all vampires as well.

    http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/280775/the_second_soul.html?cat=10

  • lady_rose

    I must say, I love the way these articles are written. letting us vampires tell our side of the story. Its good to see articles like this :D

  • Dustinjansen

    I’m Confused With The Whole Blood Drinking Thing But I Fell In Love With This Girl And When I Did I Started To Think About Blood Drinking And Now Its Constantly In My Mind What is This About And Why Isn’t She Like Me Am I Just Crazy Do I Need Help?

  • Oats

    Vampires ? I believe the ones claiming this status are mostly people that romanticize the books, movies, and folklore a little too much. Moonshadow Wolfsbane, Darkwidow Evermoon, Saphyre Skillblade, the type of names that these people assume are the first hint. It’s mostly teenagers in my area that play this role-playing game, although some people don’t grow out of it. I’ll admit that when I was in my early teens, I fantasized about being a vampire. I tried drinking the blood of another person, and I did enjoy the taste of it. There is a large underground community of people that believe they are “vampires”. Popularity of a group held delusion does not validate their claims, but as long as it’s not harming anyone, to each their own. If they want to call themselves “vampires” that’s cute, but it’s just another subculture of regular human beings. I’m not an ignorant person, and I do quite a bit of research into various subjects such as this. Wearing stereotypical “goth vampire” fashion, writing dark poetry, having a blood fetish and being a part of a sub-culture that reinforces and accepts these traits in each other seems to only serve the purpose of fitting in with a group of like minded folk. That’s fine, heavy metal fans all wear similar clothes, tattoos, piercings, and share an insider scene lingo, and etc. If these “vampires” were never exposed to any books, movies or folklore, I am willing to bet that they would just be a part of another subculture in another underground club somewhere. You tell the, “Vampires don’t have powers silly, we don’t NEED blood, we age like anyone else, and the list goes on until the only difference is that you have a delusion. I have to add, these people are harmless kids (regardless of their age), and should not be placed in the same category as the ones responsible for said violent crimes. There is a difference between “adults” that still play “make believe” and a violent criminal that identifies with their subculture. :D

  • Oats

    Vampires ? I believe the ones claiming this status are mostly people that romanticize the books, movies, and folklore a little too much. Moonshadow Wolfsbane, Darkwidow Evermoon, Saphyre Skillblade, the type of names that these people assume are the first hint. It’s mostly teenagers in my area that play this role-playing game, although some people don’t grow out of it. I’ll admit that when I was in my early teens, I fantasized about being a vampire. I tried drinking the blood of another person, and I did enjoy the taste of it. There is a large underground community of people that believe they are “vampires”. Popularity of a group held delusion does not validate their claims, but as long as it’s not harming anyone, to each their own. If they want to call themselves “vampires” that’s cute, but it’s just another subculture of regular human beings. I’m not an ignorant person, and I do quite a bit of research into various subjects such as this. Wearing stereotypical “goth vampire” fashion, writing dark poetry, having a blood fetish and being a part of a sub-culture that reinforces and accepts these traits in each other seems to only serve the purpose of fitting in with a group of like minded folk. That’s fine, heavy metal fans all wear similar clothes, tattoos, piercings, and share an insider scene lingo, and etc. If these “vampires” were never exposed to any books, movies or folklore, I am willing to bet that they would just be a part of another subculture in another underground club somewhere. You tell the, “Vampires don’t have powers silly, we don’t NEED blood, we age like anyone else, and the list goes on until the only difference is that you have a delusion. I have to add, these people are harmless kids (regardless of their age), and should not be placed in the same category as the ones responsible for said violent crimes. There is a difference between “adults” that still play “make believe” and a violent criminal that identifies with their subculture. :D

  • Hsaiti

    do vampers found in the area I stay, who are they. Now will you able assist my problem in finance?


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