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China and the Cult of Mao

What is it about Mao? The man whose benevolent countenance peers over Tienanmen to this day.

Would others find it odd that the man whose face graces all Chinese bank notes from 1 RMB to 100 is the same person who engineered one of the biggest peacetime killing machines known to man?

Upon arriving in China, one notices the ‘cult of Mao’ everywhere.

With a fatherly appeal, he smiles down upon us from his perch near the Forbidden city and looks up at us each time we open our wallets.

His resemblance is hung from many of the hundreds of millions of houses in China. But far from being something akin to a brand, a thing to be sold, the Chairman is revered like few others before him.


The Pilgrimage to Mao

Chinese citizens make pilgrimages by the millions to Tienanmen to stare at the now pickled Mao in his glass coffin case. The reverence displayed verges on the incomprehensible.

His worshipers, many who, though poor, are willing to pony up several months wages or more and endure days or weeks perched in hard back seats in rickety old trains just to see the cadaver of the man that once ruled China.

Upon seeing the man they weep, they moan, but most of all they thank the man – China’s savior.

To the poor farmers who still plant rice by hand as their forefathers had done thousands of years ago, Mao was their savior.

After the tumultuous times that preceded the formation of China in 1949, the farmers felt abused by the hands of the local rich, as well as the famed ‘foreign invaders’.

It is Chairman Mao who these people thank for the China of today.

As they are quick to claim here, “No Mao, no China.”

mao alter

Animal Sacrifice and Praying for a Mao Miracle

What more compelling proof of this does one need then the following:

“A fight between liberal intellectuals and pro-Mao activists broke out recently in Luoyang, Henan province when tempers flared over heated discussion of the legacy of former leader Mao Zedong and the impact of his policies on China.” (42)

As amazing as it may seem, this act of violence by Mao believers and their foe occurred on late September of this year. Chinese citizens are still passionately battling over the policies of Chairman Mao. But the cult of Mao does not end there.

Many are still found wandering the Beijing hutongs with their Mao hats and occasionally even Mao suits.

These are the people who often-times even have Mao altars in their houses. These are the same people who may also make a pilgrimage to Mao’s hometown, and it is there that they will pray to the helmsman and ask for a miracle or two.

It is said that some villages still sacrifice animals to the ‘Great Leader’ in the hopes that he can help them to father a boy or bring in an abundant crop – their belief hardly wavers.

Professionals too sing the praises of the man, and it is rare to hear a negative comment about Mao behind the formation of the People’s Republic of China.

mao

The Misunderstood Prophet?

To some, he is seen as a misunderstood prophet of sorts as stated in one article by Henry C K Liu.

“Chairman Mao Zedong, the greatest revolutionary in modern Chinese history, has been unfairly vilified by the neo-liberal West, but he set a decaying China on the path to renewed greatness and provided a vision for a new China that will survive for centuries to come.” (43)

Interestingly enough, this quote comes from a man born in Hong Kong who now runs an investment firm in the USA, a testament at the depth and level of Mao worship that has evolved.

This should not be hard to understand when one views all of the publicity or ‘propaganda’ surrounding the great Chairman.

It has been said that although he warned people against hero worship, he achieved nothing less than this himself.

In the myriad of photos and paintings that surfaced in his time and after his passing, he was and is depicted as larger than life, fatherly and wise.

Those who interacted with him also appeared to have a glow, as if somehow blessed by his presence.

“The subjects were represented hyper-realistically, as ageless, larger-than-life peasants, soldiers, workers and educated youth in dynamic poses. Their strong and healthy bodies functioned as metaphors for the strong and healthy productive classes the State wanted to propagate.” (44)

mao women

What’s the Truth about Mao?

While the party does not criticize Mao, they must walk the tight-rope of disrespecting his legacy while undergoing new policies.

In China, the cult of Mao is still going strong. But what is the reality?

Setting aside what we see in China, one has to consider the reality of Chairman Mao and his life. Was he really the unkempt, dirty man who according to his doctor did not like to bathe, refused to brush his teeth, and spread STD’s to women seemingly without care? (45)

Are the tales of a lecherous (46) Mao, manipulated by his wife – a “B” film actress with a chip on her shoulder – true?

Did she play a role in manipulating the great leader into taking part in the cultural revolution, or was he too busy, as Halliday and others have inferred, with his bevy of concubines?

Is this the same Chairman Mao who allegedly slept with over 1000 women, and the one who supposedly liked to deflower young virgins in order to maintain his youthful vigor?

In many accounts, Mao was described as an unstoppable sex maniac, and in 1953 even ordered the People’s Liberation Army to provide a stream of young, attractive “recruits” for us purposes.

Mao did indeed have these “imperial concubines”, who lived in the Forbidden City, had a certain status, and were well cared for. However, most of Mao’s victims were warned by his bodyguards never to speak of what had happened — and sent packing. (47)

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Perpetrators Remain in Power

Once again, we may never fully understand the world of Chairman Mao, although many have tried.

For what the communist party is good at is burying her dirty little secrets – those inconvenient truths.

We can learn much from China based on how aggressively they deny acts that are subsequently proven to be true. Maybe this stubborn ideal of refusing to accept responsibility for the past describes the true horror of what they are hiding.

The same communist leaders and their children who created the Great Leap Forward, which ended the same year as the Cuban missile crisis, are still among us.

The same Red Guards, who rose through the ranks of respectability by terrorizing those who were not ebullient enough in their belief in Chairman Mao, are now at the age to become the next leadership of Chinese communist policy.

Although the hard core Red Guards were allegedly disbanded and sent back to the countryside, their impact still lingers.

Sadly enough, the Red Guard faction only totally disintegrated at nearly the same time the US had signed the Civil Rights Act of 1968 into effect, and the horrors of the Cultural Revolution only ended with the Presidency of Jimmy Carter.

What Tragic Secrets China Hides

After thousands of years of one party rule, maybe the Chinese Communists have learned that to show one’s weakness is dangerous. Perhaps the Chinese government believes that if all their dirty little secrets leaked out, that we may get what China has feared for over 5000 years – an unfettered glimpse at the sometimes unflattering reality of the country that is China.

As an added bonus, a non-comprehensive list of more current dirty secrets are listed here. These are all things that are ‘inconvenient’ for the Chinese government to admit.

–> The Chinese communist party is responsible for more deaths of Chinese than all other dynasties combined.

–> The communist party took the land from the monied land barons in the 50’s, and have now taken it back via land grabs, earning millions if not billions in the process.

–> China’s current leader, Hu Jintao, was known as ‘The Butcher’ for his actions in Tibet around the time of the Tieneman incident (48).

–> In addition, Hu Jintao’s son was allegedly involved in a bribery scam worth millions of dollars in Africa.

–> Xi Jinping, the next leader, has been called a mediocre student who did not officially graduate from High School, but was granted diplomas from Tsinghua – a famous Chinese university.

–> China’s “peaceful liberation of Tibet” – aka their occupation of the sovereign state – was undertaken to protect the Tibetans from “foreign invaders”, of which there were whopping total of ten in the entire land at that time.

It can also be said that Deng Xiao Ping – who is claimed as being the one who opened China to the world – with his decision to fire upon the students on June 4, 1989 at Tienanmen, prolonged the communist rule that to this day is the cause of death and abuse for an untold many.

But of course, you will find no official mention of any of these things if you live in China.


References:
–> (43) Henry C K Liu is chairman of the New York-based Liu Investment Group.  44http://chineseposters.net/themes/mao-cult.php
–> (45)  The Naked Truth – “But he was shocked by Mao’s lack of concern about transmitting a vaginal infection from one woman to another.
–> (46) Foreign Affairs
–> (47) Front Page Mag
–> (48) Pundita Blogspot

Image Credit:
–> Misadventures of Jason
–> The Guardian

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  • RedWhiteBlue

    Nobody would argue that the Chicoms are perfect.  But the ultimate measure of any system/regime is whether it is doing well for the citizenry at large.  In that respect, the Chicoms are the BEST PERFORMING in the world today, and undoubtedly the best that the Chinese have had in a millenium.

    History is messy especially at the start of any new nation.  America was established upon the extermination of over 95% of American natives in over a century.  The Civil War saw the death of over half a million in military conflict – proportionally (as a fraction of the total population) a higher number than those who died under the Chairman’s policies. 

    Yet once the Chicoms have worked out the kinks, and reverted back to the tried and tested single party meritocracy, things got rolling.  The record of almost double digit growth, for an economy the size of China’s for 30 years (going on to 50), has no equal in human history.  As a direct result, Chinese folks hold a 87% favorable view of their government (according to Pew Research). 

    The fact that a system is different from yours, does not mean it could not work. 

  • RedWhiteBlue

    What do silly assertions about having sex with 1,000, or spreading STD, have to do with the price of rice in China?  If that is the standard by which people are judged, where would Americans  come out?

    To understand the respect for Chairman Mao, you have to look at history.  China was the No. 1 economy on Earth, for much of the last 5,000 years.  The true decline came in the last 2-300 years, under the bloody hands of foreigners, especially the Anglo Americans.  
    In the 1800s, Anglo Americans (google “Delano” and “Opium”) forced Opium on China, and in one generation or two, caused China’s economy to drop from the world’s No. 1 or 2, to No. 178.  A weakened China then suffered for 200 years under the continued military humiliation by foreigners, all the way until after WW II.  Foreigners (mostly Americans) would not even allow China to finish its civil war.  Imagine how Americans would feel, if the Brits had taken sides with the South, sold it “purely defensive weapons”, and insisted that the people’s will, namely the South’s vote to secede, must be honored.   It is against that backdrop that one must view Chairman Mao in the eyes of the Chinese.  He is credited, and rightly so, with kicking out the KMT, the running dogs for the imperial hegemon, and who decided courageous to fight the hegemon led thugs to a draw in Korea, even though China’s weaponry and equipment were at least 50 years behind.  CHAIRMAN MAO TAUGHT THE CHINESE TO AGAIN LIVE WITH THEIR HEADS HELD HIGH.  I was born and raised in Hong Kong, and have lived on several continents, and I can tell you that this viewpoint is shared by most Chinese, no matter where they happen to live in the world.

  • RedWhiteBlue

    What do silly assertions about having sex with 1,000, or spreading STD, have to do with the price of rice in China?  If that is the standard by which people are judged, where would Americans  come out?

    To understand the respect for Chairman Mao, you have to look at history.  China was the No. 1 economy on Earth, for much of the last 5,000 years.  The true decline came in the last 2-300 years, under the bloody hands of foreigners, especially the Anglo Americans.  
    In the 1800s, Anglo Americans (google “Delano” and “Opium”) forced Opium on China, and in one generation or two, caused China’s economy to drop from the world’s No. 1 or 2, to No. 178.  A weakened China then suffered for 200 years under the continued military humiliation by foreigners, all the way until after WW II.  Foreigners (mostly Americans) would not even allow China to finish its civil war.  Imagine how Americans would feel, if the Brits had taken sides with the South, sold it “purely defensive weapons”, and insisted that the people’s will, namely the South’s vote to secede, must be honored.   It is against that backdrop that one must view Chairman Mao in the eyes of the Chinese.  He is credited, and rightly so, with kicking out the KMT, the running dogs for the imperial hegemon, and who decided courageous to fight the hegemon led thugs to a draw in Korea, even though China’s weaponry and equipment were at least 50 years behind.  CHAIRMAN MAO TAUGHT THE CHINESE TO AGAIN LIVE WITH THEIR HEADS HELD HIGH.  I was born and raised in Hong Kong, and have lived on several continents, and I can tell you that this viewpoint is shared by most Chinese, no matter where they happen to live in the world.

  • RedWhiteBlue

    Chairman Mao is also respected for having risen from a peasant’s upbringing (his parents were illiterate), and yet achieved deep understanding of Chinese historical and philosophical tradition, gained through decades of scholarship even in a life of turmoil.  He is revered for his thinking and writing abilities.  Mao’s sayings (the little red book)  sold almost as many copies as the Christian bible.  His collection of poems, while not refined, are legend (writes like a hero with well earned flamboyance). His rhetoric skills were (and probably are) unmatched.  His military skills and doctrines are taught in Westpoint today. 

    Mao was a respected “Yu Jiang” (儒将 Confucian general), and excelled in multiple fields.  Looking back at Chinese history (or any other nation’s history for that matter), it’d be tough to come up with such a multi-talented national hero.  Mao made mistakes (he was no Saint), but his accolades were well earned.

  • True

    To “RedWhiteBlue” . OMG are you brainwashed.Ok, Mao was a peasant for he lived in the country but his family was rich. Mao’s dad was a wealthy landowner and Mao hated him. Sure his dad could not read and his mom had no proper name- that was common back then, that was in the mid 1900’s.. But Mao, like many communist leaders came from a monied family. Back in China they may not have told you that, but read and learn, Halliday is a good source.Re Mao taught the Chinese to hold their heads high…Yes, when they were yelling ‘capitalist roaders’ and storming their houses during the cultural revolution, which if you ask any of your comrades, was a low point in recent communist history. re your statement “what does it mean that Mao had thousands of partners” and loved to deflower pre-pubescent virgins?? Um,,, a lot if you are a human. Most of us who do not possess the pedophile gene find such things disgusting. re ” Foreigners (mostly Americans) would not even allow China to finish its civil war”
    Funny how the Chinese blame the US and west for her problems. If the Chinese were not ‘man enough’ to finish their war then they should not have started it. The Chinese always have those lame excuses , but in the end they need to man up and take responsiblity. its time for China to act like a mature country and quit blaming the world for their foul ups.
    re “forcing opium on China”. China should have ‘manned up’ and fought. They took it It is sad but true. The Brits are no worse than the Mexicans, and I doubt many would blame them for the US drug problem. The Chinese made a choice to get stoned, end of story. You said ” I was born and raised in Hong Kong…..and I can tell you that this viewpoint is shared by most
    Chinese, no matter where they happen to live in the world….”
    Not even Hong Kong’ese want to be back in the arms of communism. And to speak for Chinese the world over, is a little arrogant. Also, you being in Hong Kong, have had the best opportunity to see how badly Mao fouled up China, look at the difference in you guys and your new owners……

    re “the Chicoms are the BEST PERFORMING in the world today, and undoubtedly the best that the Chinese have had in a millenium.”
    Best performing at what, surely not human rights and issues of responsibility. They stole Tibet and Xinjiang. They have brutalized a blind self taught lawyer, their two Nobel peace prize winners are in jail and in exile, they jail reporters and civil rights leaders. They are ruining the Tibetan culture with their unlawful occupation, they massacred hundreds On june 4, 1989, they steal tech, they forge academic documents and are responsible for 80% of all fake goods in the world. They are on the precipice of financial disaster, they have killed 400 million babies in addition to the 100 million the mao era were responsible for. They back a system whereby the mentally handicapped and children are forced to work. They killed off all precepts of religion/confucianism/buddhism, they are killing their ethnic minorities, they are one of the most corrupt countries on the plant, but yeah their GDP is growing.
    The Chinese are ok for the world is giving them cash and technology, the other communist countries are not doing so well are they?

    The only thing I cannot figure out is how come Mao, who killed off about 16% of his own people is so revered. Please answer me this..
    is it cognitive dissonance? Is it that a people who are forced to face the fact that in times of peace, that they exterminated 70 to 100 million of their own for some half-baked ideals feel that if they admit their irrational behavior that the world will see the Chinese for what they truly are?

  • RedWhiteBlue

    Talk about irrational behavior!!  The reason you cannot figure it out, is because you have an American education – one that brainwashes since your kindergarten days, into believing lies.  Ere you sit on your high horse, pointing fingers at the Chicoms, citing hundreds of “facts” so laughable and so perniciously made up by billion dollar propaganda machines over decades,

    Your “points” are so silly they are not worth refuting one by one.  Mao was a major inflection point in the history and fate of China.  Most Americans (unlike modern Chinese), not having studied calculus, are incapable of knowing what an inflection point is. 

    Therein lies the difference.

  • RedWhiteBlue

    The Chinese go around the world spreading wealth and prosperity, trading and making people’s lives better.  Well priced made in China goods had been the ONLY efficacious poverty alleviation program in many countries, including America.  In contrast, the West with all its technology and wealth and power, go around the world bombing civilians, TODAY.

    Mao leaves a proud and benevolent tradition.

  • RedWhiteBlue

    The facts are the facts.  The Chicoms run the world’s 2nd largest economy which still is growing at over 9 percent, creating over 10 million new jobs a year. 

    Under the Chicoms created by Mao, the Chinese are well fed – a luxury that the Chinese have not had for hundreds of years under Western oppression.  Beijing, having deviated from Mao’s national medical policy (almost free universal health care) for a couple of decades, is now working back towards a single pay, universal health care system. 

    The difference from the other communist systems, or any other system at all, regardless of ideology, is that none of them had a Mao. 

    None of them had a close to double digit growth for over 30 years either.

    Nobel Prize winning economists could not even figure out how that was done, let along duplicate the success for their own countries.

  • http://www.topsecretwriters.com Ryan Dube

    Your rhetoric and platitudes aside, you can not get around the basic facts of human rights and ethics surrounding how you treat other human beings and lives within your own citizenry. Mao’s behavior and his actions leading to so many deaths of his own citizens is easily comparable to the tragedies inflicted by Hitler and Stalin. You are simply trying to rewrite a tragic and horrid history that can’t be rewritten.

  • http://www.topsecretwriters.com Ryan Dube

    Your rhetoric and platitudes aside, you can not get around the basic facts of human rights and ethics surrounding how you treat other human beings and lives within your own citizenry. Mao’s behavior and his actions leading to so many deaths of his own citizens is easily comparable to the tragedies inflicted by Hitler and Stalin. You are simply trying to rewrite a tragic and horrid history that can’t be rewritten.

  • http://www.topsecretwriters.com Ryan Dube

    No – he leaves a trail of millions of dead Chinese citizens. No matter how many cheaply made Made-In-China products you can produce in your country, you will never make up for the lives of Chinese citizens that you completely destroyed, simply because Mao had such little respect for human life.

  • http://www.topsecretwriters.com Ryan Dube

    No – he leaves a trail of millions of dead Chinese citizens. No matter how many cheaply made Made-In-China products you can produce in your country, you will never make up for the lives of Chinese citizens that you completely destroyed, simply because Mao had such little respect for human life.

  • http://www.topsecretwriters.com Ryan Dube

    Yes, because most other countries are not willing to murder its own citizens for the sake of economic growth. Growth at any cost will only come back to bite your country in the backside in the end, regardless of the case you make re: today’s economic growth. And guess what bud, once the reality and the truth is fully revealed to the West regarding exactly “how” China accomplished that growth, they will all stop buying your products produced out of Chinese blood. The ends do not justify the means.

  • RedWhiteBlue

    30 years is not “TODAY”.  30 years (going on 50) is the culmination of mindful planning and execution of those great plans, all with the goal of making the lives of ALL citizens better.  No nation’s government plan to murder its own citizens for the sake of economic growth – you are just shouting silliness.  HOW MANY Chinese citizens did the Chicoms murder in the last 10 years, 20 years, 30 years for the sake of economic growth?  Chinese life expectancy (despite silly claims that its medical system is 50 years behind) is not all that different from that of the U.S. of A. 

    More poignantly, I don’t think you literally mean “murder” in the sense of malice aforethought and such.  You probably mean government policies that led to premature death of the innocent.  In that light, HOW MANY Chinese citizens did the Chicoms “murder” in the last 10 years?  20?  30?  How about America?  
    Each year, year in and year out, over 30,000 Americans are executed by gunshots alone (according to the CDC). Almost none of them were given a trial, let alone appeals, and most of them are innocent of committing any crimes.  This is of course not counting the tens of millions displaced and maimed and killed (real murder those, with malice) all over the world, in the name of whatever cause du jour.  Something about the splinter in the other guy’s eye and a plank in yours?

  • RedWhiteBlue

    So many?  HOW MANY?  In the first decades of New China, like any other new nation born of turmoil, life was hard.  New China was born with less than nothing – the American protected KMT not only removed everything portable – gold, silver, national treasures, etc., they also use American supplied explosives to destroy what pitiful little infrastructure that was left from years of WW II. 

    So when a famine hit soon after (1958-1961), people died.  WHY did so many people die?  People die in famines, as the government did not have the wherewithal to buy food to feed the masses – all the riches were looted and moved to Taiwan, under the protection of the American military.  It is not rhetoric, it is historical fact.  The “international community”, with America in the lead, did NOTHING to help.  Not a single finger was lifted, and folks like Ryan Dube back then sang, “let the Commies die; the only good Chicom is a dead Chicom.”  It is obvious that the attitude has not changed.

    How many Chinese died in the famine in the early years of Chicom rule?  I frankly don’t know.  But the key point is that it is not murder.  It was a natural disaster (like so many natural disasters that hit the Chinese over 5,000 years), compounded by the new nation’s lack of resources, and Western apathy. 

    Then came the Cultural Revolution (late 1960s).  HOW MANY Chinese died?  The CR was a necessary upheaval in the early years of a new nation, as necessary as the American Civil War.   I submit, on a per capita basis, the CR was responsible for many fewer deaths than the Civil War.  (April 17, 1861 – Virginia secedes from the Union, followed within five weeks by Arkansas, Tennessee, and North Carolina, thus forming an eleven state Confederacy with a population of 9 million, including nearly 4 million slaves. The Union will soon have 21 states and a population of over 20 million.).  • Two percent of the population—more than 620,000—died in it.China Population, Millions1960      667 1969      806.71970      829.9

  • RedWhiteBlue

    I personally asked over 1,000 Chinese citizens of all walks of life – college professors, peasants, police woman (can’t possibly imagine that in pre-Mao eras), food stall worker, factory owner, you name it, over a ten year period.  All of them respect and love Chairman Mao as a Chinese hero.

    Those are the only opinions that count. Dube, even apart from the fact that you are clearly duped and brainwashed, as a practical matter, your opinion don’t amount to anything as far was the legitimate legacy of Mao is concerned.  That is reality.  You can sulk for the balance of your sorry sad life, and watch China and the Chinese continue to grow from strength to strength, based on the foundation built by their national hero, Mao Zedong. 

  • RedWhiteBlue

    The fact that the ideas were not tried before in the West, does not mean they will not work for China and the Chinese.  No Western ideology can possibly work in a dirt poor economy with a humongous population like China (don’t believe me, just look south at India).  Beijing, from Mao on down through the last few decades, had to resort to experimentation. 

    But once the kinks are worked out, what glorious growth and prosperity it wrought!!  Double digit growth of over 30 years, greater than 10 million new jobs created each and every year, 300,000,000 lifted out of poverty.  All achieved according to Mao’s teachings, as modified by practical needs of each age.  Mao thought today is still taught in all walks of Chinese society. Without Mao, there can be no New China.

  • http://www.topsecretwriters.com Ryan Dube

    Wow, I’m impressed – the Communist Party is getting it’s money’s worth with you aren’t they. How much have you earned so far, 25 cents?

  • RedWhiteBlue

    “Funny how the Chinese blame the US and west for her problems.”

    Chairman Mao never blamed anyone.  He was too busy doing –  and what glorious accomplishments he wrought for all Chinese through the ages!!  He taught today’s Chinese it is useless to bellyache – just do it, and evaluate the results, and adjust the direction and actions accordingly.  There is no use in blaming. Blaming is for the losers who are making all the blames today against the Chinese, attributing all manners of fault on the hard working and smart working Chinese for everything.  Too lazy?  Unproductive?  Enjoy playing rather than working?  Can’t compete?  Must be the fault of the Chicoms.  I have always wonder why Westerners have this victim/entitlement mindset. Why is it never their own responsibilities, and why is it the Chicoms’ fault? 

    In 2010, American companies made more than $100 Billion in profits in and from China. 
     
    At the end of the day, fair trade has to mean equal profits. In that aspect the trade is ABSOLUTELY AND GROSSLY UNFAIR. American companies were basically given free rein to expand into China. American auto companies sell more cars in China than anywhere else. Walmart has 350 stores. Yum Brands has the largest restaurant chains in China. Hospital diagnostic equipment is dominated by GE. The list just goes on. Aircrafts are dominated by the likes of Boeing. The Gap is now talking about shuttering 22% of its American stores, and tripling its number of stores in China in the next few years. 
     
    Yet with extreme asymmetric treatment, America basically blocked most Chinese investments into America. WHAT Chinese companies are allowed to have hundreds of outlets in America? Deal after deal was blocked by the xenophobes in Washington. 
     
    As a direct result of the above, the profit imbalance is at least 5 or 6 to 1 in favor of America (exports to America typically gives the Chinese exporters no more than 3-5% margins). 

    At the end of the day, it looks like whatever the Chicoms are doing or omitting (IP, protectionism or whatever else you wanna call it), they are not doing enough to equalize profits fairly. 

    I don’t hear the Chicoms blaming the West for this unfair imbalance in profits.  But there is no doubt that they are working their behinds off to try to equalize.

  • RedWhiteBlue

    To appreciate Mao’s
    military brilliance, you need only two words: 
    KOREAN WAR.  The event summarizes  why Westerners are still so afraid of the
    great man today, and why they spend so much time and effort and gold to libel
    the genius, decades after his death.

    On the Western
    side of the war, Korea was a total, undeniable military failure, all the more
    poignant in that the Western units were all famous, war proven troops fresh
    from victories in WW II, AND the West had total sea and air control (thousands
    of warplanes and hundreds of warships, vs. China’s none), AND the land forces
    had about 100 times the firepower of the ragtag Chinese army.    Moreover, the West was led by a legendary
    military hero, General MacArthur.  The
    only conclusion was that the Western armies got their behinds kicked badly, as
    a result of Mao’s military brilliance. 
    After that, Vietnam was a political defeat more than a military defeat –
    Americans were so afraid of Chinese direct involvement in that war, American
    troops basically stayed behind the imaginary line, and eventually had to bow
    out. 

    Some would argue
    that Korea was merely a draw, and neither side won.  But when you consider that McArthur was right
    next to the Yalu when the PLA joined the action, and the war ended at the 38th
    parallel, you can spin it all you want, but it is clear who won and who lost,
    despite the absolute disparity in military equipment and materiels. 

    The Chinese army’s poor performance in World War
    II left a deep impression on people.  The Western military, feeling invincible from
    the glorious victories defeating the two most capable militaries in World War
    II, simply did not heed the Chairman’s warnings.   The
    Chinese military, under Mao’s guidance,  in
    the Korean War demonstrated convincingly the courage to overcome insurmountable
    difficulties, death-defying spirit and shrewd and effective battlefield tactics.  I think it was Montgomery (the guy who
    demolished the Desert Fox tank corps in Africa)  who concluded after the Korean War that you’d
    have to be crazy to fight the Chinese military on land.  Mao’s military genius, his military theories
    and practical rules for battle command
    and battlefield performance have since been studied exhaustively, and are today
    in the curricula of most military colleges in the world.   Mao’s military genius is revered on par with
    Sunzi.

    After the Korean
    War, it was universally accepted that China is not the China of the past, and the
    Chinese army is no longer the Sick Man of East Asia.  The United States is not concerned about  
    China’s military modernization, because the improvements will always be a
    generation or two behind the West.  The
    fear lies in that likelihood that Chinese army still has Mao Zedong in its
    spirits.  THAT is why there were the
    decades of continued efforts to disparage the great hero of China, in the vain
    hope that the derogation would diminish the Mao spirit, making the China the
    Sick Man of East Asia once again.       

  • Anonymous

    Why
    are the Yanks not afraid  of the Chinese people today, but were afraid of a must less capable China back in
    Mao’s days?  Only one reason – MAO.

     

    Pre-Mao,
    basically it was not hubris that America did not fear any nation, any army.  Mao was the first to break that myth of
    invincibility.  It took the grassroots hero from China
    to hand the unmistakable defeat to the strongest, and Mao spent a lifetime
    doing just that.  Leading up to the
    establishment of New China, the KMT under Chiang, Kai Shek had a military 1,000
    times in strength, and funded and equipped by the Yanks.  There was one stretch in which Chiang sent
    500,000 KMT troops against several hundred of Mao’s rag tag forces, and still
    could not win.

     

    In terms of bringing
    down the strong even when the odds are extremely lopsided, Mao Zedong has no match in human history, then or hence.  That is the reason that the West tries so hard
    to disparage Mao.

     

  • http://www.topsecretwriters.com Ryan Dube

    Please provide evidence that the Americans were at all afraid of China during the Mao years. This is all Mao-b.s. propaganda, it’s sickening. You offered not a single reference or piece of evidence to support any of your exuberant and far-reaching claims.

  • Zhuubaajie

    This is common everyday knowledge, known to most Asians.  You are just brainwashed and thus do not know.

    Think about it.  In America’s 250 years of history, how many wars did it actually lose, and lose as badly as the Korean War?  NONE.  But once was enough, and the abject fear and loathing of Mao, who handed the defeat to McCarthy and company, never went away. 

  • Observer

    To:
     RedWhiteBlue
    Do you get 50 jiao per post or for a single thread. What I mean is: for all of your long-winded missives, did you earn more than your 50 cents? 
    Is it just me, or is it mind boggling that people support a man like Mao who was the worst mass murder in history.

  • Truthaboutchina

    To, redwhiteblue-You said ”
      A weakened China then suffered for 200 years under the continued military humiliation by foreigners”
    My response “If you can’t run with the big dogs, then stay on the porch”. The reason China got ‘poned’ by foreigners was because they were weak. 
    Ever since the era of mechanization China has been weak. A society that is only good for manual labor cannot sustain itself when the world turns to intellectual property and issues of technology. 
    Thus, for whatever reason, China has stopped evolving for over 500 years. Don’t blame foreigners, thus is nothing but a crutch that allows the Chinese to not address the endemic issues that have always plagued the nation. 

  • Truthaboutchina

    To redwhitblue, you said ” the ultimate measure of any system/regime is whether it is doing well for the citizenry at large”. 
    Yes, so if the repression and abuse of the masses, including being governed by the most brutal dictatorship in history who was lead by the greatest mass murderer of all times is ‘doing well for the citizens at large’ , then yes, you are correct.

  • Truthaboutchina

    You said, ”
     terms of bringing down the strong even when the odds are extremely lopsided, Mao Zedong has no match in human history”. You are correct. Mao engineered the biggest transfer of wealth in recent history and he only had to kill 100,000,000 people to achieve it. 
    What other country, aside from China, has a  mass murderer on all of its money?

  • Truthaboutchina

    redwhiteblue- You said ”
    This is common everyday knowledge, known to most Asians.”
    Hmmm, this must be Chinese logic. Ryan said ‘provide evidence that the Americans were at all afraid of China”
    To which you responded that it is “common knowledge of all Asians.”
    Umm, I cannot speak for Ryan, but I would assume ‘proof’ is defined differently than you have provided. In addition, it would make more sense to show proof in America of Americans, as that is the true question isn’t it?

  • Truthaboutchina

    You said ”
    American companies were basically given free rein to expand into China. ”
    If you call a 50-50 mandate on Chinese ownership and a forced technology transfer ‘free reign’ then yes you are correct. In addition, you said that American business dominates China. This is true for China does not know how to run business. They cannot manage, cannot create brands and are not well equipped for ‘unprotected business ‘ in the modern world. 

  • Truthaboutchina

    You said ”
     The Chicoms run the world’s 2nd largest economy which still is growing at over 9 percent, ”
    Yes 
    1- how much would they have grown if they had a relatively fair and equitable government or democracy?
    2-how much of their growth was created by intellectual property theft and fraud. 
    Corruption accounts for about 15% of their economy and 80% of all fake goods in the world come from China. 

  • Truthaboutchina

    I do mean ”
    , I don’t think you literally mean “murder” in the sense of malice aforethought and such”
    China massacred hundreds if not thousands at Tiananmen in 1989. China murders more prisioners than any other country. 
    China admits that it’s once child policy has exterminated 300,000,000 babies
    China still commits forcable abortions. 
    China is actively killing its people as it has over the past 3000 years. 
    China has had 500 years of peace over the past 2500. 
    China does murder with ‘malice and such’

  • Truthaboutchina

    You said ”
    Chinese go around the world spreading wealth and prosperity, trading and making people’s lives better. ”
    This is true if you count that they support the worst dictators in the world today. They supported the brutal Sudanese government, the evil empires in the middle east and North Korea, not to mention Zimbabwe. Yes China has made some despots very very rich. 

  • Truthaboutchina

    About the famine You said ”
     WHY did so many people die?”- the answer -because of poor governance. 
    read from here Mao’s Great Famine: The History of China’s Most Devastating Catastrophe, 1958-1962 by Frank Dikötter or
    Hungry Ghosts: Mao’s Secret Famine by Jasper Becker 

    You said that the KMT looted China’s riches, what about all of the treasures destroyed by the cultural revolution?

    You said ” Cultural Revolution (late 1960s).  HOW MANY Chinese died?” – It is estimated that between 3million to 10 million Chinese died. 

    You compared the cultural revolution to the American Civil war or revolution. You apparently have no understanding of either. 

    The American civil war, was  a war, the cultural revolution was not. 

    The American war was fought with a goal that two separate countries would be formed. The Chinese revolution was fought to erase the four olds. 
    The Chinese cultural revolution was nothing more than Mao’s attempt to maintain power after his missteps in the late 50’s. 

    The cultural revolution, according to all Chinese with whom I have spoken, was a disaster and an embarrassment. 

    Mao told the police to not lay their hands on a group of people-red guards,  who had no education nor goals, other than to prove their love of Mao. This was no civil war, nor war, it was mass fanaticism on a scale the world has never seen before. 

    The cultural revolution degraded into nothing more than a power struggle  and the impact was

    – all schools were closed for ten years
    -all laws had no effect as Mao said when he spoke  he was making the law
    -it generated a ‘lost generation of Chinese’
    -ruined trust amongst those who have survived it
    -caused a still felt, lack of trust withen the people and government
    -created a fear in the Chinese as to what levels of brutality they are capable of.

    Perhaps the communist party should only pay ’50 centers’ if what they write has merit.

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